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Rejecting an intrusive thought is not engaging with it.

Literally kept trying to make her go away, said she wasn't real, silenced my mind and ignored her, she laughed at me

I don't think that's how intrusive thoughts work.

12:23 PM

Since they're, well, intrusive.

My dude, it is.

Okay.

You can't make an intrusive thought go away by engaging with it.

I guess my issue is that you made it sound really easy.

That makes them stronger.

12:25 PM

It's easy if you know how your own thoughts work. Which usually takes study or meditation or therapy.

12:25 PM

And there's of course the variability of having OCD and just not being able to do it without drugs.

I think that conflicts with the word "easy."

The action is easy. The knowledge is not.

12:26 PM

It's easy to be happy in life by being content. The actual action is super easy.

12:26 PM

How many people are content?

12:26 PM

Not many.

I tried the zen no interaction no thinking whatsoever, they continued to talk. I never had problems silencing the mind before

When I say interaction, I mean giving them any attention whatsoever.

I'm gonna go brush my teeth.

Thoughtforms cannot talk if you do not give them attention and cognitive space to do so.

Thats the thing, I didn't

Also on that note I can actually completely silence my tulpa at any time.

12:28 PM

So if this is your criteria for a tulpa I don't have one.

12:28 PM

This is a you thing, clearly.

12:28 PM

I can also still parrot them.

12:28 PM

It creates a sense of backlash, but my will is stronger than theirs.

12:28 PM

I can even force emotions and sensations on them.

I can silence Shade, but she eventually says fuck you to me and start speaking again. I have more power but it ain't much, honestly sounds like you just keep yourself on top and use your view of tulpas to stop them from getting higher. I'm tired of this conversation though, I'm not changing any minds, and you certainly aren't changing mine, so let's call it an impasse

You seem to have taken some sort of philosophy from my arguments and there isn't one. I'm describing how the brain works, not how my personal philosophy is.

We both know neuroscience hasn't touched tulpamancy, we know how characters work, get a peer reviewed paper with zero refutations on the nature of a tulpa then we'll talk

Neuroscience has touched identity plenty.

12:34 PM

If you'd like I could go into detail about the mesocorticolimbic system and how it deals with abstract thought. I could also talk about the communication centre at the heart of the brain and how it deals with association, dissociation, and any level of altered states in the brain. I'm not talking out my ass here. (edited)

12:35 PM

You are, on the other hand, talking about feelings as if they indicate truth.

12:35 PM

When in reality the brain can feel whatever it wants at any time. (edited)

I don't think feelings indicate truth, but I also don't think we understand consciousness, it's called the hard problem of consciousness for a reason. Alas I also admit I'm not the most knowledgeable on neuroscience, I haven't yet studied university level psychology so if you have then you have the advantage there. I have said my piece and shared my experiences, you have facts and reasonable arguments, I'll accept this as a defeat on my end to refute you, for now.

To be clear I am not a neuroscientist. I'm interested in the topic for obvious tulpa-related reasons, but I cannot claim broad knowledge.

12:45 PM

I would just like to clarify as well that Rhys is in no way beneath me as a person. I do not go out of my way to do any of the things I can do to them, without consent. My original position was that I cannot elavate tulpas above characters by default of their nature. That being said, I have no problem doing that for Rhys, because I care about them irrespective of being a tulpa. It's a cruel reality that I must essentially use characters for my own ends, but it's not one I can change, so it's not one I'm going to agonize myself over.

12:46 PM

That part is the philosophy:B

If there's anything to be said about this convo:

I'm talking(?) to my tulpa more
I'm once again wishing I went into psychology or neuropsychology.

Well I guess that draws the argument to a close, if I find new evidence for or against my case I'll reopen the conversation, but this was fun even if I got more heated than I should have.

Or, more specifically for the last point: I had the proper skills and baseline living situation to go into that field.

12:48 PM

Oh wow, you had fun, that's surprising, lol.

12:49 PM

I should look through tulpa articles again. Not sure how far I'll go, but, -shrug- can't hurt.

12:49 PM

I'll probably just be busy focusing on other skills tho.

A good debate is always fun to partake in. It gives the right chemical cocktail to leave me feeling buzzed and more knowledge is always welcome even if it directly opposes my worldview.

I get buzzed too, but my brain runs too fast and my emotions go all over the place, even if I'm truly invested in the discussion. Inevitably, whether I like it or not, I have to dip out before I lose my sense of articulation.

I was starting to let emotions run the show near the end, which led me to insult Zen's view of his tulpas, I apologize for that comment near the end by the way @Zen

You're certainly more respectable than me. I admire that.

I make sure to apologize for any transgressions I commit to those I respect, civility is the cornerstone of a good conversation. Thanks for the compliment, I appreciate it.

Np.

12:57 PM

To move on tho: Is it fine to just... not do much with your tulpa? Guides and articles and such just complicate the process for me, even if they have good tips. I guess it's easier for me to converse than read several pages worth of instructions. Development has always been slow though. Just feels like it's easier to go with the flow and see where things go.

12:58 PM

Basically how I do everything I'm interested in learning. I like to go right into it, then read any tips and tricks along the way if I'm stuck. Ends up making my skills develop slowly, but it doesn't make the process incredibly frustrating, just the lack of progress.

I think it is best to let enjoyment dictate what you're actually doing.

12:58 PM

Too much of tulpamancy is easy to interpret as a meditative monastic practice.

12:58 PM

Which is boring AF

Years ago I do the whole parroting, narration, visualizing, drawing, possession, writing a diary, etc. Then I got so tired of it and annoyed nothing much was happening that I gave up.

I winged it with most of my techniques, we learned most of our skills through trying random stuff, I never read any guide on tactile hallucination, and yet it's one of our most used skills now.

Most of my stuff just happens. Like, if I'm trying to visualize while laying down, sometimes I'll get a giant blowhorn in my ear that snaps me out of it, or a strong image that scares the crap out of me.

Same with tulpa creation, fusion, visualization, etc

So it ends up being that I have to... refine my "skills."

I watch movies and series n such, make cocktails, cook, play vidya games, play tabletop RPGS, do... extracurricular activities... with my tupper. Make it all about what your relationship is actually doing for each of you, like you would for an actual friendship. That's the general jist of our day to day.

1:00 PM

Tulpamancy is most effective when it feels easy.

Yeah, best interactions we had was when I'd draw their appearance or chat with them at my Hell Job.

Zen

I watch movies and series n such, make cocktails, cook, play vidya games, play tabletop RPGS, do... extracurricular activities... with my tupper. Make it all about what your relationship is actually doing for each of you, like you would for an actual friendship. That's the general jist of our day to day.

The extracurricular activities are insanely good at expediting development, certainly not for everyone though

The Others

Yeah, best interactions we had was when I'd draw their appearance or chat with them at my Hell Job.

Having a picture of them is great for active forcing

I probably need to update them... Definitely, actually.

1:07 PM

Even if the design hasn't changed, jfc, art from when I was 16....

1:08 PM

I can already see some differences. Shorter hair, maybe darker skin, white hair instead of blue, I think.

1:08 PM

And a different name.

1:08 PM

I can't remember who chose it, but I find it kinda cringey and outdated.

A good start, Shade has had quite a few form changes over time

Would be nice if they could draw their own form. Not like we're using it for much but a solid visual representation, which I guess is what I do for a lot of my character designs.

You can ask them, you may be surprised, even a subtle influence will make the picture more accurate

I don't ask as much as they just give me directions without the use of words, just ideas.

1:33 PM

Even if those ideas are something I don't like.

Thats a perfectly acceptable form of communication

I guess it's easier than words. I tend to think abstractly anyway, and when I do think in words, I automatically assume it's me, even when I'm arguing with myself.

Whatever works

True. I'll probably imagine more of their concepts before moving onto drawing them, then I'll further those concepts.

1:47 PM

'Cause I also like the idea of a creature form, but human(oid) is something we seem to be leaning more towards.

1:47 PM

Not sure how creative we'll get.

1:47 PM

Since it still had to be channeled through the skills I have.

OK spicy topic: parallel processing, fact or fiction?

you might need to elaborate on what you mean by parallel processing. i can drive a car and think about a complex topic at the same time. i have intellectually high demanding job, but i listen to podcast at the same time and can follow both activities. i wouldn't think those are examples of what people call parallel processing, but every time i saw someone claiming they have it, it was things like that. it's nothing out of ordinary, the bar people put is very low (edited)

In short: The answer, is yes.

4:04 PM

Eeghhh. Saying something short felt deeply wrong there.

Zen

Eeghhh. Saying something short felt deeply wrong there.

XD

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OK spicy topic: parallel processing, fact or fiction?

Honestly I think the discussion you had before was more spicy, I would like to explore the previous topics from not too long ago if you're okay with it. I don't know if parallel processing is real or not, and I am interested in trying to prove it's real before coming to my final conclusion on it. I'm bored of the conversation on if it's real or not, mostly because I have heard it over and over again and it tends to distract from what I believe to be the more interesting questions about parallel processing. Most people agree that it's not real, those who disagree tend to get fed up with others and leave or not talk about it. I think parallel processing in of itself is an interesting phenomenon, even if it turns out it's not true "parallel processing", I think there is something interesting going on and developing your skills to enjoy those experiences have the potential to be rewarding

A long kiss goodnight

Honestly I think the discussion you had before was more spicy, I would like to explore the previous topics from not too long ago if you're okay with it. I don't know if parallel processing is real or not, and I am interested in trying to prove it's real before coming to my final conclusion on it. I'm bored of the conversation on if it's real or not, mostly because I have heard it over and over again and it tends to distract from what I believe to be the more interesting questions about parallel processing. Most people agree that it's not real, those who disagree tend to get fed up with others and leave or not talk about it. I think parallel processing in of itself is an interesting phenomenon, even if it turns out it's not true "parallel processing", I think there is something interesting going on and developing your skills to enjoy those experiences have the potential to be rewarding

I am going to be away from a stable internet connection for a bit so anything more than a casual chat isn't smart for me at the moment, but I would love to reopen one of my older topics when I find the time. Which one peaked your interest?

4:26 PM

I'm assuming the one on Character V tulpa?

That's one of them, but also the discusison on parrotnoia

4:28 PM

And tulpa ethics

4:29 PM

Character v tulpa ultimately is an extension of tulpa ethics, which I believe is the most decisive tulpa topic

4:29 PM

Actually, second to "is your tulpa fake or not"

4:29 PM

But those all ball up together

Tulpamancy has certainly been great for honing my inner mad philosopher

Tulpa ethics get even stickier than regular ethics because tulpas live in the same brain as their host, and separation can vary from system to system. The assumption of if tulpas a separate person or not plays a big role in how you see a tulpa from an ethical standpoint (edited)

My current thoughts on parallel processing: I think it's real, but we don't know much about it. People who claim to have it don't have much to say on how it works or how they got it, which makes it hard to understand or replicate.

4:41 PM

There was a system here before, who said they used to parallel process a lot, and they had some unusual brain functioning. iirc, they lost their abilities. For them, it might have been a brain chemistry thing, so they naturally had the ability until their brain changed and they lost it. That was interesting to hear about, but again... hard to understand or replicate.

Gray worries that there could be a dissociation element to parallel processing. Regardless on how we go about it, Gray wants the ability to "turn it off".